filtre a l'huile (original ou jobber)

[vmaxboys 0]

quelle filtre a l'huile utilisez-vous pour
votre vmax

personnellement,j'ai toujour mis l'original
de yamaha (+ ou - $13.50)
je sais que fram (jobber) on un modele
pour le vmax.
il est surement de moindre qualite

est-ce que quelqu'un utilise autre chose que le
yamaha d'origine

sur mon harley,le filtre original coute $17.00 et
est fait a taiwan (ho lala la qualite) :pasbon:

j'ai donc modifie la filtration en installant un filtre
de voiture.maintenant la filtration est de beaucoup
superieur et le filtre coute environ $6.00 au detail
pour le top des filtreurs,si je met un fleetguard il me
reviens a $2.33 et est encore de meilleur qualite
que l'original.
meilleur filtration et plus d'huile dans le moteur
(refroidissement superieur)



pas tres esthetique,mais efficace :demon:

salutation

[Blackmax 0]

Moi j'utilise le Fram 6017A qu'on retrouve chez Canadian Tire et il me satisfait pour le temps qu'il dure soit +ou- 5000KM .Je ne payerai pas plus cher parce que c'est un original.Pour moi tant qu'il y a un filtre est le principal.Pour la qualité je ne suis pas un expert et je ne m'en plaint pas.

[Vmax0068 0]

C'est écrit dans le manuel du propriétaire quel filtre utiliser. Moi je mets celui qui est recommandé par Yamaha et pas d'autres. Pour le peu que ça coûte (environ $15) et j'ai la conscience tranquille.

[ScorpionMax 0]

En autant qu'on les "run" pas avec de l'huile à patates frites
:sors:

Scorp

[Blackmax 0]

ScorpionMax a écrit:

En autant qu'on les "run" pas avec de l'huile à patates frites
:sors:

Scorp

Wouuuuuhaaaaahahaha! :pff:

[vmaxboys 0]

je fais des recherches pour trouver le
grade en micron pour le denso et le fram
trouve pas grand chose.

mais il y a une grande difference dans la
conception des 2 filtres.

le fram est fait de papier seulement et ......

http://tobycreek.org/oil_filters/fram.shtml

le denso est fait de resine et de fibre de la
la meilleur qualite de filtration.



allez voir ca........belles images qui en disent long....

http://www.leroybeal.net/motorcycles/silverwing/articles/oil-filters/Motorcycle%2520oil%2520filters%2520exposed.pdf

le modele qu'il montre est le 3fv-13440-00
aujourd'hui ils vendent le 3fv-13440-10 fait
en fibre et non en papier.

[collectovince 0]

:applause: :applause: merci Vmaxboys pour les infos , je n'achèterai plus jamais de Fram , moi qui pensais que c'était de la qualité ... :pasbon:

[Blackmax 0]

Même la Yamaha OEM de Denso , il la trouve inacceptable comme la Fram donc la V-max fonctionne avec des filtres inacceptables.

[Kid V-Max 0]

prise sur Vmax Outlaw, une opinion d'un chimiste d'une cie d'huile et de produits chimiques à la retraite :

Oil Filter Alternatives for 96-up V-Max Models
adapted from original article by Mike Guillory

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Introduction

The oil and spin-on oil filter are the two items which control and minimize engine wear. Microscopic particles in the oil, if not removed, can act as an abrasive to wear down metal surfaces. In modern motorcycle engines, like the Vmax and most others, oil passes directly from the filter to the engine for lubrication, so a good, properly-functioning filter is essential.

OEM Motorcycle Oil Filters

You can't go wrong using the OEM filter for your motorcycle. However, sometimes these may be hard to find, especially on a Sunday or Monday, or in smaller communities, or you may think the OEM part is unnecessarily expensive. Or, you may want a better filter to further minimize engine wear. You deserve choices.

Alternate Motorcycle Oil Filters

Following filters should fit all late model Vmaxes (96 - present). These also fit most late-model Kawasaki sportbikes and Vulcans, most late model VFRs, CBRs, ST1100s, etc that use the Honda 15410-MM9-013 oil filter, plus most late-model Yamaha sportbikes, and the Royal Star. They also can be used on the mid-80s Magnas, Sabres, Interceptors, and Shadows. See Author's note #6, below for a comment about Suzuki oil filters.

Important: The only meaningful difference between all those shown below are external length. The very shortest filters should fit anywhere. All threads and gasket dimensions are compatible, all have anti-drain back valves, and all have bypass valves that operate in the normal range of 8 to 13 psi range.

Motorcycle-Specific Filters - (About 2.5 to 3 inches long)

Purolator Motorcycle ML16817 about $6.00
NAPA Gold 1358, Carquest 85358, WIX 51358 about $7 to $8
AC Delco PF2135 about $10
FRAM PH6017A about $7
Automobile Filters - (About 3.5 inches long - fit reference 1994 Mazda MX-3, V-6 Engine)

Mobil 1 M1-110 about $10
Bosch 3323 about $5
Purolator Pure One L14620 about $6
NAPA Gold 1356, Carquest 85356, WIX 51356 about $6
Deutsch D-370 about $4
AC Delco PF-2057 about $6
Motorcraft Long Life FL-821 about $4
STP S-02867 about $3
FRAM, Castrol, Penske 7317 about $3
Automobile Filters - (About 2.5 inches long - fit reference Mazda RX-7 and Miata)

Bosch 3300 about $5
NAPA Gold 1365 about $6
Purolator L14622 about $5
AC Delco PF1237 about $6
STP S-02876 about $3
FRAM PH6607 about $3
WalMart SuperTech ST6607 about $2
SuperTech filters are made by Champion Laboratories who make Mobil One and Bosch filters and also some automaker brands. While they may not have the advanced filter media of the highest efficiency and highest priced filters, they are considered premium filters and will perform well.

Technical Fitment Specification

20 X 1.5mm threads, gasket diameter approximately 2.3 inches, O.D. approx. 2.75 inches, length approximately 2.5 to 3.5 inches.



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Author's Notes

Wix, NAPA Gold, and Carquest are identical.
FRAM, Castrol, and Penske are identical.
In each category, filters are shown in my perceived approximate order of quality. But I admit that is an inexact science without actually testing all of them side-by-side.

The information here is compiled from many conversations with the filter manufacturers, with other motorcyclists, fitment verification on my 1994 VFR750 (uses same filter as late model Vmax), and by consulting oil filter reference information published by filter manufacturers. All the automobile filters are cross-referenced with each other and to replace the Mazda filter shown, which is for the 1992 through 1994 Mx3 V6 engine, or various years of the RX7 and Miata engines.

A legitimate concern we all should have are the performance specifications. Motorcycle manufacturers apparently do not tell companies like WIX or Purolator their filter specs. So, these companies buy examples of the filter in question, have it tested in a laboratory, then build replacement filters to the same physical dimensions and performance. That includes filtration efficiency and filter bypass valve pressure. Thus, there is no reason to believe the replacement motorcycle filters are in any way different from the Honda filters.

Automobile filters could be a different matter. However, in conversations with filter manufacturers, it appears that filter media and bypass pressures are similar, often times the same, and certainly overlap. So, while using an automobile filter could represent some additional degree of risk, if you either like to avoid all risk, or your motorcycle is still within its warranty period, you may prefer to stick with a motorcycle filter.

However, I believe the differences are only cosmetic, the risk is virtually nonexistent, and I continue to use these automobile filters on my motorcycles. The only external difference is that some automobile filters have slightly different lengths, otherwise they are the same size as the motorcycle filters and function the same. The filter makers I spoke with could not could not provide a reason why I couldn't use them on motorcycles.

They are very similar, at mid-rpm normally in the 40 to 70 psi range, with internal relief valves. Therefore one can correctly conclude that oil filter requirements are also very similar.

Use of an automotive filter could be a benefit, if you really want the best protection. Newer high-performance filters like the Bosch and the Mobil 1 really are better and not more expensive. Instead of traditional paper filtration, they use a synthetic or mixed paper/synthetic medium that removes up to 98% of 8 to 10 micro particles, where conventional premium paper filters only remove 70% to 90%.

Anyone happy with FRAM motorcycle filters are probably as well off using the FRAM PH7317 or PH6607 for about $3. However, several comments across the internet recently indicate that FRAM filters may not be as well made as the rest and perhaps should be used as a last resort. However, I have not verified that and it is entirely possible that they have the best filters. But I personally will not be using them.

Suzuki street bikes use a very unique spin-on filter with few, if any automobile alternatives. However FRAM PH6018 and WIX 51359 are motorcycle filters made for most 1990s and later Suzuki street cycles, like the Bandit 600 and 1200, SV650, GSXR 600, 750, 1100, and most of the cruisers. Suzuki owners should use these numbers to check for alternatives with their local auto parts stores.
My thanks go to all those who provided input to this project. It is my intent to update this every 6 months or so to keep it current. All the information presented here is accurate as far as I know. The contents make no recommendation as to what any individual should do, only to provide those interested with information helpful to make confident choices. I have no affiliation with any company in the motorcycle or filter business.


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The author is a Chemist, retired from a major Oil and Chemical Company, after a career in the Quality Assurance of Fuels, Lubricants, and Chemical products. He and his wife both ride.

:Vroum:

[vmaxboys 0]

Blackmax a écrit:

Même la Yamaha OEM de Denso , il la trouve inacceptable comme la Fram donc la V-max fonctionne avec des filtres inacceptables.

il parle du denso en papier p/n 3fv-13440-00

mais aujourd'hui le denso porte le p/n 3fv-13440-10

il est tres different car fait de resine et de fibre un peu
comme les filtres caterpillar

[Blackmax 0]

Désolé de te contredire , il ne parle pas de l'intérieur du filtre , mais bien des "caps en cartons au bout du filtre". Voilà pourquoi il les trouvent inacceptable.

[Blackmax 0]

Voici un lien avec beaucoup d'information!
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/

[speedcostsmoney 0]

wow c'est bien beau tous sa mais oblie pas un filtre a huile doit filtre l'huile et te donner un pression d'huile tu de doits les respecter pour le bon fonctionnement du moteur le filtre que j'utilise filtre
.020 micron ramasse plus petite particule plus important que le prix
tous ca ne rime a rire si tu ne change pas ton huile au 5000km a longs temer tu va payer

[Blackmax 0]

Merci Kid pour cette info , ce spécialiste est une bonne référence! :Super:

[Blackmax 0]

Une lettre que j'ai trouvé sur le site que j'ai mis plus haut.


A Letter from Fram

Mr. Lawrence:

Thank you for the e-mail regarding the construction and micron rating of Fram oil filters. We welcome the opportunity to be of service.

Fram filters meet the requirements of the original equipment filter designed for a specific engine. Our filter applications follow the recommendations of the vehicle manufacturer for form, fit, and function. Fram filters follow internally targeted design guidelines to meet the functional requirements of a given filter. Fram filters are tested against SAE standards to ensure uniform product quality and performance. Material construction will vary between filter manufacturers. We believe Fram filters have a proven record for providing reliability, superior quality, and engine protection over the service life of the filter.

A common misunderstanding among our customers concerns the end disks in the oil filter. These disks hold the glue which keeps the pleated media formed into a rigid circular tube. The glue-to-media interface is also one of the sealing surfaces keeping dirty and filtered oil from mixing. One common myth is that only metal end disks can adequately seal and have enough strength in the hot oil environment. For this reason, Fram filters are criticized for having cardboard end disks. The issue is, the material doing the sealing is the adhesive, regardless of the material of the end disk. What matters is the strength of the adhesive, its proper curing, the thoroughness with which it can be applied to the disk, and its adhesion to the disk. By using cardboard end disks, Fram filter engineers are able to specify adhesives with excellent strength and sealing properties, and strong adhesion to the disk (intuitively, it is easy to make a strong glue bond with cardboard). Moreover, just as paper media itself is able to withstand the hot oil environment, so too is the end disk designed of fibers engineered to be strong and inert in hot oil. The thickness and strength of the adhesive also stiffens the end disk considerably.

Fram engineers perform hot oil circulation tests on the filter element and also regularly cut open used filters to examine how well they have withstood the rigors of actual use on a vehicle. For over 38 years, Fram end disks have stood up to hot oil and their adhesives have sealed off the dirty oil.

Fram's latest entry in the automotive oil filter market is the X2 Extended Guard oil filter. The Fram X2 Extended Guard filter uses a filter media that includes a reinforced mesh screen for maximum pleat integrity, durability, and oil flow. The inclusion of the metal screen increased the glue tolerances or thickness required for proper adhesion to the end disk. The original X2 prototype development specified the cardboard end disk technology. However, the increased amount of adhesive required to join the cardboard end disk to the screened media resulted in prototypes that did not conform to design standards. We had no choice but to use a steel end disk with the X2 filter media to provide uniform Extended Guard oil filter construction.

Fram automotive oil filters, including the standard Extra Guard and premium X2 Extended Guard filters, have a micron rating of 10 micron.

If you require further assistance with Fram filter construction, please contact the Fram Engineering Department directly at 1-419-661-6700.

Thank you for your interest in Fram filters.

Cordially, Scott Jacobs, Catalog/Technical Service Representative

[Blackmax 0]

speedcostsmoney a écrit:

wow c'est bien beau tous sa mais oblie pas un filtre a huile doit filtre l'huile et te donner un pression d'huile tu de doits les respecter pour le bon fonctionnement du moteur le filtre que j'utilise filtre
.020 micron ramasse plus petite particule plus important que le prix
tous ca ne rime a rire si tu ne change pas ton huile au 5000km a longs temer tu va payer

Quel filtre utilises-tu?

[Usineux 0]

Moi j'achète les miens chez mon marchand de pièces de moto, depuis des années, Je prends celui qui me donne aucune connaissance de la marque, et mes moto on jamais rendu l'âme, pourtant il on atteint des Kilométrage respectable, Yamaha suggère de changer le filtre au 2 changements d'huile, moi je change a chaque changement d’huile.

[Kid V-Max 0]

Usineux a écrit:

Moi j'achète les miens chez mon marchand de pièces de moto, depuis des années, Je prends celui qui me donne aucune connaissance de la marque, et mes moto on jamais rendu l'âme, pourtant il on atteint des Kilométrage respectable, Yamaha suggère de changer le filtre au 2 changements d'huile, moi je change a chaque changement d’huile.

moi aussi.............. je viens de vérifier et la marque est : HifloFiltro HF303

:Vroum:

[Blackmax 0]

En tout cas , ça été une bonne discution pour de simple filtre à l'huile , et pour les informations on a l'embarra du choix et des filtres. :Vroum: :pff: :punk:

[vmaxboys 0]

Blackmax a écrit:

En tout cas , ça été une bonne discution pour de simple filtre à l'huile , et pour les informations on a l'embarra du choix et des filtres. :Vroum: :pff: :punk:

yes sir

[Blackmax 0]

vmaxboys a écrit:

Blackmax a écrit:

En tout cas , ça été une bonne discution pour de simple filtre à l'huile , et pour les informations on a l'embarra du choix et des filtres. :Vroum: :pff: :punk:

yes sir

:Super:

[Kid V-Max 0]

Blackmax a écrit:

vmaxboys a écrit:

Blackmax a écrit:

En tout cas , ça été une bonne discution pour de simple filtre à l'huile , et pour les informations on a l'embarra du choix et des filtres. :Vroum: :pff: :punk:

yes sir

:Super:

:Super: d'accord avec vous, c'est intéressant de voir les différentes opinions et options que l'on a suite a toutes les informations disponible sur internet :applause:
:Vroum:

[Invité]

Une vidange et un filtre tous les 5000 Km et basta :Vroum:

[éric 0]

Salut à tous, j'ai besoin de vidanger l'huile moteur mais après avoir lu l'article, j'ai quelques doutes concernant les filtres originaux et FRAM, et comme je n'ai pas trouvé d'autres marques pourriez vous me dire ce que vous vous utilisez et dans quel magasin vous les achetez. Ainsi que votre opinion sur le rapport qualité prix.
Merci
Éric

[bull64 0]

en france, un filtre chez yam, 6.5 euros, perso j'prend po le risque de bouziller mon moteur pour si peu, donc je prend chez yam ou daffy (des daffy j'sais po si y en a par chez vous)

[éric 0]

Merci BULL, mais c'est plutôt au Québec que je cherche, pour les Daffy on a juste les Daffy duck mais ça filtre seulement la vase (je voulais mettre un smiley mais ça ne fonctionne pas) , je te conseil tout de même de lire l'article, je trouve cela édifiant.
Salut à toi et au autres Français.
Éric

[speedcostsmoney 0]

filtre a l'huile EMGO part # 20-82232 arret les particules de 10 microns est te donne un plus de power pense 5$ plus chers que le stock tu peut achete sa dans bien des garages ou dealer de bike